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« on: February 16, 2010, 03:45:23 PM »
This is for another bathroom window. The size will be 27 1/4" x 41.
This is just a preliminary sketch for layout and customer approval. I'm going with water lilies at the bottom here instead of roses in the last peacock panel.

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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 11:21:05 PM »
Pretty picture, but water lilies?? Don't they belong in water??
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2010, 07:13:38 AM »
On this one, try to work more with color shading if you can. 
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2010, 08:38:25 AM »
Quote from: Graham on February 16, 2010, 11:21:05 PM
Pretty picture, but water lilies?? Don't they belong in water??
It's more so the tops of them you see. Maybe I'm describing the flora wrong. Possibly water iris and lotus? This is the best thing about preliminary sketches... You get to iron out the fine details.
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2010, 08:53:52 AM »
Quote from: Wayne on February 17, 2010, 07:13:38 AM
On this one, try to work more with color shading if you can. 

I could only get the water to shade in the other panel and used alternating sky colors. With this panel the customer explicitly requested "Tiffany". The first panel also budgeted at $400/ ft. This one is at $600/ ft. so I can go with a little more detail etc. The project is a go so now all I have to do is a full scale drawing and pick out some glass.
I'm working from this Tiffany window (below) can you suggest any glass options Wayne? Thanks...

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2010, 03:56:58 PM »
1386 pieces.  Do I win? laugh
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2010, 08:15:12 PM »
I approve of the sketch. You can start my window now.     frog
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2010, 01:15:25 AM »
If you want floating water lilies, work a pond in the foreground.
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2010, 07:37:11 AM »
Quote from: Gary on February 17, 2010, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: Wayne on February 17, 2010, 07:13:38 AM
On this one, try to work more with color shading if you can. 

I could only get the water to shade in the other panel and used alternating sky colors. With this panel the customer explicitly requested "Tiffany". The first panel also budgeted at $400/ ft. This one is at $600/ ft. so I can go with a little more detail etc. The project is a go so now all I have to do is a full scale drawing and pick out some glass.
I'm working from this Tiffany window (below) can you suggest any glass options Wayne? Thanks...


Gary, if you remember we had a glass/color talk about the other window.  You want to make art glass windows without using art glass so that means you end up making colored glass windows.  In order to even compete with the colors of the old master windows (LaFarge, Tiffany, and others) you have to break the Kokomo and Spectrum glass thinking.  Yes, whether you like them or not, Uroboros and Youghiogheny do make the appropriate glasses for such windows and there are very few competitors making the special colors and textures you would want to use in a peacock window.  Whether you make $300 or $600 per SF on the windows, you can not afford to pass up the glass that would make the windows stand out above the hobbyist versions.

I think you are one vary talented glass craftsman and the quality of your last peacock demonstrates that.  You do not get the artist or master color selector award though on the last one.  You do have a picture which shows contrasts and color tones and it doesn’t cost much in terms of money to get those but getting the colors right does cost in time….. I hope this helps.
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2010, 12:04:20 PM »
Quote from: Wayne on February 19, 2010, 07:37:11 AM

 ...it doesn’t cost much in terms of money to get those but getting the colors right does cost in time….. I hope this helps.


In the seven years I have had my shop, the cost of Spectrum had gone up A LOT.  Spectrum has increased their prices by 5% several times.  Youghiogheny has had ONE price increase and it doesn't compare to the amount that Spectrum has increased.  It really isn't that much more money to use Youghigheny and the results can be spectacular.
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  It really isn't that much more money to use Youghigheny and the results can be spectacular.


The glass is a minor proportion of costs. Juicing up the project with some really good glass doesn't need to be a hard choice. On many occasions I have confronted a customer with a choice of glass based on the price of the project. I cannot remember, on any meaningful project, the customer choosing to save three or or four percent and use the cheaper glass.

Surprisingly, when the same option has been given on smaller projects, where the price difference is only a buck or two, the customers are more likely to choose the cheapie. People are weird!
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